Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 needs a patch to prevent the game from re-setting just because you get logged off of the PSN. this IS a Major Flaw.

well, you can't continue co-op anyways, so restarting the game shouldn't be a problem

what I have a problem with is that in some games, when you get logged off of PSN, the game takes 5 minutes to return to main menu.

i finally see what people are talking about, men they can exaggerate:/

It does make sense, although this feature was unneeded.

Basically, if you want to play online, you log on online. All your kills, deaths, weapons will be logged onto your profile. You only use online to play Team Missions.

So I really don't see the point in logging onto the PSN if you are going to play Single Player gamer:/

At first I thought it was this game's fault, but it's not. It's PSN's fault, because it sometimes logs people out which is annoying. Especially when you use Wireless:/ Using wireless for PSN is a bad idea, especially if you want to stay connected for ever.



Do what I do and use wired:/ Simple as that



I myself was thinking of a patch so when a partner disconnects and leaves in alone with the game, since you can't quit. I was thinking of patching an option to exit the game without Quitting the game itself. But I finally thought of logging off PSN

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It's not an exaggeration though, when you're signed onto the network and you get kicked off while playing offline you'll be kicked out of the story mode and back to the main menu. THAT IS A FLAW. NO GAME, unless online only, DOES THAT

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Originally posted by Final Blade:
It's not an exaggeration though, when you're signed onto the network and you get kicked off while playing offline you'll be kicked out of the story mode and back to the main menu. THAT IS A FLAW. NO GAME, unless online only, DOES THAT

i know, it happened the first time I played NGS2.

But the game isn't flawed, it's meant to be designed like that. Remember that this is Team NINJA's first take on for Online in NG game.

Why would you get kicked out in the first place eh? Like I said before, the flaw comes from PSN, because it logs people off automatically especially when they use wireless!

It makes sense, if you are going to play the game in single player, play it offline! If you want your kill counts, deaths, weapons etc to count for your online ID, then use wired connection. Wired connection>wireless.

Sony only implemented the wireless for use for updates and internet browser. If you use wireless to play games online, gamers will just laugh at you.


Once again, it isn't flawed, PSN is flawed. Use wired connection, sign in to PSN if you want to play online or log out if you will play single player.

Single player modes do not require a PSN connection to function. If they can function when you are not logged in, then why should they cease to function when you get logged out for whatever reason?

It's the game's fault, and therefore TN's fault. Stop blaming everything else when no other game (that I have played) has this problem. Even games such as Burnout Paradise, which use the Internet a great deal more than NGΣ2.

Yes it is a flaw about the game Xino. It's a glitch/error within the system. There should be no reason why I'm playing OFFLINE mode, even when signed in and should be kicked off from it to the main menu. It's a ridiculous thing that should be fixed. That should only be when you're playing ONLINE Co-Op and stuff.

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Originally posted by Final Blade:
Yes it is a flaw about the game Xino. It's a glitch/error within the system. There should be no reason why I'm playing OFFLINE mode, even when signed in and should be kicked off from it to the main menu. It's a ridiculous thing that should be fixed. That should only be when you're playing ONLINE Co-Op and stuff.

Final Blade you must understand it isn't a glitch.

I've encountered this message in the demo both Jap and Eng version. While you play and you connect online, the message will pop up.


The reason why the game returns you to the menu is because when you play online or with A.I, there's absolutely NO way of exiting the game, this is the only option!

The only reason why you are connected online in Single player is because it logs your kills, izuna drop, combos etc all for your profile ID.

But logging you out of single player as been noted because you were notified when you PRESS START:/


We just need a patch, that can allows us to quit the game offline mode without disconnecting.

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The reason why the game returns you to the menu is because when you play online or with A.I, there's absolutely NO way of exiting the game, this is the only option!

This makes no sense to me. Can you explain that?

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The only reason why you are connected online in Single player is because it logs your kills, izuna drop, combos etc all for your profile ID.

Just because the game likes to sync stats with the server, it doesn't mean that it should stop the game when it can't. Otherwise you would HAVE to have an Internet connection to play this game. But it doesn't, it's just flawed, and needs to be patched.

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But logging you out of single player as been noted because you were notified when you PRESS START:/

Just because they tell us that we will get kicked out of a game for no real reason, it doesn't make it right.

At the end of the day, it should be a simple case of "If logged in = true then sync stats, else don't".

when you play Team Missions whether with player or A.I. You cannot exit the game! The only way the to exit from the game is when you disconnect yourself from PSN, which will return you to the main menu.

The game doesn't stop at any time, it's the damn PSN network! Game isn't flawed! If it's flawed, this problem will be the first noticeable problem, because you'll get informed as soon as you press the START button!
If you don't want the system to register your kills, weapons, combos online, or play with Human, don't play ONLINE! Use online play to play in Team Missions with Human and update your stats faster!
You do not require to play Single player online or Team Mission. If you press the Start button, it will ask you to sign in, just press O button to cancel, and you can play single player offline. But you need to be online if you want to play Team Missions or want to get your personal ID updated in single player.

Seriously, this is not a flaw but silly complaint!

"If logged in = true then sync stats, else don't". I don't get it:/
If you log in- Your stats gets updated in Single Player game and you can play Team Missions with another Human.
If you are not logged in- You can play Single Player offline and Team Mission with A.I


The only flaw in the online system is when you are playing with a human, you automatically get kicked out for no reason and this has been happening a lot. Once you get kick off, you'll get an error message if you try searching or joining a game. To get out of the error message, you need to then sign out and sign back in:/


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Ok I just tested to see if I could play Team Mission offline with A.I.
It worked! But here's the real bug in the game. When you are playing with A.I and you sign in during battle, the message that appears at the PRESS START menu comes up again, though you will still be in-game with your A.I and will not return to the Menu. This is the flaw, because if you are playing Single Player Campaign, and you get disconnected by rubbish PSN, you'll return to the menu.
But note that even if you are still in-game with the A.I in Team Mission and you sign in, you still can't exit the game or play with Human. You can only sign in online at the PRESS START menu.

This applies to the Single Player story, you sign in during single player, message comes up but will not return you to the main menu. Still you can't get your stats updated or play with another human online.


PSN is a terrible service, I got disconnected lots of times during Uncharted 2 beta, so stop blaming the damn game!

Wow. That is weird. That's something else that doesn't function like it should then!

But you still don't seem to understand why the game doesn't function correctly.

The single player mode is not dependent on being connected to the PlayStation Network. The only thing that is dependent is something that happens behind the scenes - it doesn't inform us that it is uploading any data because we don't need to know. We don't receive any data from either Sony or Tecmo. So losing a connection mid-game should not affect the playing experience in any way.

You suggest playing without being signed in as a fix. That's not a fix, that's a workaround that goes against the whole idea of consoles being online. I send messages when I'm playing the game. I shouldn't have to sacrifice that functionality because Ninja Gaiden will boot me out of my offline game in the event of the connection to PSN being lost.

In regards to how it should work: if you are still connected to PSN at the end of the level or whenever it syncs with the server, then it should upload the new stats. If not, then it should just carry on and upload the stats the next time it can. If you don't log in in the first place, that's how it works. So why it's coded to not work like this when you start the game already logged in is beyond me.

Stats being stored on an external server is an added extra. Its absence does not break the game.

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Yes I know disconnecting from PSN will take you to the menu is a bad idea. Team NINJA should have made some sort of message to inform us about the real time sync system. Rather than say you must be connected online to play the game.

Well I know single player isn't dependable to the PSN Network and the Stats gets uploaded real time. Meaning if you perform izuna drop with the Dragon Sword, it automatically maths your Personal ID with a Dragon Sword- 1 count uses, combo and kill. Izuna Drop- 1 count used. Having all these stats in a virtual load, when you finish a chapter and then the virtual load will then maths to your personal ID, in the end it works like uploading your Karma point. Why this wasn't used was because the virtual load data could get lost. So it's best to update your profile in real time.


The game is not faulty because of mishap disconnection, it has a bug for returning you to the menu and which I don't know why that was added or if it's even a bug.

You suggest playing without being signed in as a fix. That's not a fix, that's a workaround that goes against the whole idea of consoles being online. I send messages when I'm playing the game. I shouldn't have to sacrifice that functionality because Ninja Gaiden will boot me out of my offline game in the event of the connection to PSN being lost.That is why I came up with the idea of Sigma 2 having it's own Online switch function (see the DLC+Patch list topic). But what is the whole concept of consoles being online!? It doesn't make sense since you are playing a SINGLE player game, why do you need to be online in the first place? Single player games are meant for offline, and doesn't require online, Sigma 2 is the first that requires online for real time updating.


And to your idea on how the personal ID update should work. I say no to it. That doesn't even sound like something that can be done. Do you understand the whole math that goes behind this Stats? Even NG1 had complex maths to the Karma system. Sigma 2 you have:

Dragon Sword- the system will have to log every single time you use it, kill with it, and max combo pulled off. If all these were saved to a temporary virtual load. After finishing a chapter and the game ask if you'd like to upload the stats to your Personal ID. If you upload it, the recent stats you have will overwrite on your previous stats. Because you are pasting a new data onto the previous, if it's real time maths, then it will calculate the stats with your previous.

The stats in Sigma 2 works like the Karma window in Chapter Select. You perform Ultimate Tech with a Scyth, game counts it as 1 kill, UT 5000, if the Scyth's wave flows and kills the next enemy near the victim. The karma point will instantly say 2 kills, killing spree etc.

This is exactly how the Stats work.



The reason why the game boots you to the menu is that Sigma 2 can only be connected online via the menu. But it isn't compulsory to be taken to the menu as soon as you get disconnected.


I don't know what you are blaming in this game. Some people are saying the game has a flaw because it disconnects and returns you to the menu.

As I'm trying to say PSN Network disconnects you not the game itself. The flaw is just that when you get disconnected, you return to the menu. Team NINJA should have just made a straight out message:

"Sigma 2 can only be connected online via the Press Start Menu. If you sign out of PSN, you'll be taken back to the Menu and if you want your Stats to be updated real time, you need to be connected online".

Xino, what in the world are you talking about?

Do you have links of proof to back up these claims for why I'm getting kicked off from the single player story for being logged off the PSN that has no relevance to the offline campaign? That's like me playing Uncharted 1 and being kicked off when an error has occurred and I lose my position in Uncharted. The offline story has nothing to do with the PSN. The PSN only concern is getting trophy information back to the server, or playing online.

While I have not been signing on to play the game, it annoys me cause it's a problem within the games coding, not the PSN. It has no bearings at all. Some how they have some code that interrupt the single player campaign due to how they made the online team missions. Also, the whole sending information back is unrealistic, even if it does, you have a save file on the PS3 with all the details that was stored from the install about about the game.

I have never heard of any information about sending kills..etc about the game online when you're signed. Right now, this is a problem with the game.

Start Sigma 2 up without being logged into PSN. Don't let it log in. Now go to Ninja Records. You will see all of your statistics there, and that is without them being retrieved from a server somewhere.

You're over estimating the stastics here. They are just number logs. Add karma, kill count, move usage count. Nothing complex about it. And why would what I said before, a method that every other game that has a statistics log has, not work? Because it does work.

And Xino, it's clear that you don't know how data is stored. Like FB said - it's all stored in the save file. When the data is sent from the console to the server, that data is coming from the save file. If the game was actually coded to send the statistic updates in real time, the server load would be colossal! And what would be the point?

And as for the concept of consoles being online...they are designed for us to be online. That's why you have automatic sign in, that's why your current game is displayed under your name on other people's friend lists. Both the PS3 and 360 are focussing on social aspects this generation. Going by your idea, you should only be online when you are playing a multiplayer mode of a game. You say online isn't needed for single player games...but nor is a constant connection to a server. You're being hypocritical as well now.

You really don't understand the problem here, and I'm not sure why. We've explained it a number of times. I'm starting to think that you don't actually read what we say. But if you can't grasp what we are saying, then it's pointless us discussing this with you.

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Originally posted by Final Blade:
Xino, what in the world are you talking about?

Do you have links of proof to back up these claims for why I'm getting kicked off from the single player story for being logged off the PSN that has no relevance to the offline campaign? That's like me playing Uncharted 1 and being kicked off when an error has occurred and I lose my position in Uncharted. The offline story has nothing to do with the PSN. The PSN only concern is getting trophy information back to the server, or playing online.

While I have not been signing on to play the game, it annoys me cause it's a problem within the games coding, not the PSN. It has no bearings at all. Some how they have some code that interrupt the single player campaign due to how they made the online team missions. Also, the whole sending information back is unrealistic, even if it does, you have a save file on the PS3 with all the details that was stored from the install about about the game.

I have never heard of any information about sending kills..etc about the game online when you're signed. Right now, this is a problem with the game.

My god, why don't you listen!?

PSN is the reason why you get disconnected! I don't remember being disconnected in the demo. PSN as a problem, you get disconnected any time! I've had it in numerous occasion, from playing Killzone 2 online, MAG beta, to Uncharted 2 beta!


WHy the hell would a single player game get you disconnected? the fact is you don't even understand the whole purpose of being connected 24/7 online with this game as I've explained that it's to do with realtime Stats update and to play online!

Have you just completely ignored my post to go at Final Blade again?

I got just got kicked out of watching the prologue. Explain that one, master ninja.

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Originally posted by Pred:
Have you just completely ignored my post to go at Final Blade again?

I got just got kicked out of watching the prologue. Explain that one, master ninja.

please go away and complain somewhere else if you won't listen to my logic!

PSN has a problem with disconnecting users anytime! Sometimes when you try to re-connect, some dumb error code comes up.

Now in Sigma 2, the game is designed to take you to the menu if you disconnect/sign off/log off online. The reason being, you can only connect to Sigma 2 online mode at the PRESS START/Menu.


Let's see if you can understand this one!

Game has no problem with disconnecting anyone. I get disconnected from different games. So stop your whining. You've been warned from the PRESS START menu that you will end up in Menu if you disconnect!

Even though you connect wired, PSN will still log off, cuz it happens to me. If you don't want to get disconnected, go play Ninja Gaiden 2 on Xbox Live, since Xbox Live is 10x better than trash PSN.

I notice that you completely ignored the point about being kicked out of the prologue. I'm not surprised, really.

Can you think of a reason that a user should be kicked out of watching the prologue because an Internet connection is lost? You can't, because there isn't one. The same applies to the single player mode.

If you scroll up, I think you'll find that in my second reply in this topic I said that just because they tell us it's going to happen, it doesn't make it right.

A question for you: if PSN is so bad, shouldn't that be more reason to design the game normally?

The single player experience in NGS2 isn't an online one. The game just synchronises your statistics with a server at certain times, most likely at the end of a level. I've already explained how it should work. I don't care if it can only connect to online at the start menu - that's both irrelevant and (if Tecmo really have ballsed up the programming and you are actually right about that) something that can also be patched.

The bottom line:
NO SINGLE PLAYER GAME, ON ANY CONSOLE YOU COULD POSSIBLY OWN NEEDS ONLINE TO FUNCTION. NONE. EVER.

The fact that you don't seem to be getting this shows that you are either a troll that's been here three years, or you're ~14. I'm going to go with you being 14.

lol...how did I ignore your point about the prologue. It's because you are too retarded to understand that the PSN cuts off, not the game. You just want to blame something, and it's the game you want to blame. You press the Start button, you instantly get connected to NGS2 online function that draws internet from the PSN Network which you are currently connected too. If you are not retarded enough, you'll learn to read the NOTICE message that tells you if you disconnect, you'll be returned to the menu. (such a pity!)

if PSN is so bad, shouldn't that be more reason to design the game normally?NO, the game wasn't design normally in the first place? Such a retarded question to ask!

The fact that you don't seem to be getting this shows that you are either a troll that's been here three years, or you're ~14. I'm going to go with you being 14.Please go back to your regularly trolling forum. I know people like you, people like you always keep a forum alive with your activeness, but you seem to miss the point that people like you are the ones killing the forum because of your lack of respect to others, that is why members stop going to the board!
Coming here and calling people 14 years old, which I've countless heard by people like you. Do us a favour, you are not welcomed here!
People like you only participate on forum with lots of members. Here is a quiet board with little people that contribute. And I love this, because we can respect which other, we don't have to deal with random trolls such as yourself.


You are nothing but a troll, coming in here and demanding for a patch. And if you want to continue your clichéd sentence that I've heard many many times as it starts with "14 years old, bad grammar and picking out something from your sig to insult you" Go ahead, as I'll surely enjoy my time for insulting you

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Originally posted by xino:
My god, why don't you listen!?

PSN is the reason why you get disconnected! I don't remember being disconnected in the demo. PSN as a problem, you get disconnected any time! I've had it in numerous occasion, from playing Killzone 2 online, MAG beta, to Uncharted 2 beta!


WHy the hell would a single player game get you disconnected? the fact is you don't even understand the whole purpose of being connected 24/7 online with this game as I've explained that it's to do with realtime Stats update and to play online!

Xino, do you read or have comprehension problems. I never said anything about the games fault for kicking me off the PSN, I said it has a problem of KICKING YOU OFF THE SINGLE PLAYER, OFFLINE CAMPAIGN WHEN IT DOES KICK YOU OFF. That's the problem with.....wait for it.......wait for it........THE GAME!!!!

I have never in my time of playing single/offline campaigns games that demands online to be able to play offline campaign and kick me off a offline campaign. You know why? BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.

Games that are properly made makes damn well sure you need to be online to play online games, but don't need PSN to continue playing offline games. And when you do play offline campaigns and the PSN signs you off, 99.9% of the time you're not kicked off the offline Campaign. THAT IS MY POINT. Not that it's the games fault for kicking me off the PSN, but Kicking me off the offline Campaign cause my PSN kicks me off. The PSN has no bearings on this, and it's a screwed up code within the games coding.

Since you have yet to provide any proof of my claims, and mine are actually common sense, especially since I've talked to many people who actually know how to code programs, I have more knowledge on this.

To sum up my point:

PSN kicks you out of online matches when it disconnects. Standard and makes sense.

PSN SHOULD not or DOESN'T make people get kicked off offline campaign cause the connection is lost. This usually happens from a bug/glitch in the games coding or poor coding.