I want to know all your thoughts if Ninja Gaiden 3's storyline should take place after Ninja Gaiden 2 (basically before DOA) or it should take place after Dead or Alive?

(after dead or alive, like during Dead or Alive tournaments events, doesn't have to mean after the last DOA game/tournament).


My thoughts, I don't want it to take place before or during DOA, but want it to be months after NG2's event. I don't want them to skip the timeline so that Sanji will be old enough to duel wield two swords. I just want it to be about Ryu (Ayane should cameo but shouldn't get too involved in it). NO TO KASUMI!

Then after Ninja Gaiden 3, the next Ninja Gaiden should take place after or during Dead or Alive, then it would make sense to make Sanji older to duel wield swords.

Remember that Ninja Gaiden modern is the remake of classic NG series. And the classic had 3 series about Ryu.

Question:
Should Ninja Gaiden 3's storyline take place after NG2 or after Dead or Alive?

Choices:
After Ninja Gaiden 2
After/During Dead or Alive series
After Ninja Gaiden 2, everyone aged (Sanji being able to duel wield swords)

 

but they got to explain Kasumi's appearance somehow, even if she doesn't get her own story in the 360 version, she'll still have one in the Sigma version, it's a pattern like that.

so if they want to explain her appearance, they can't fast forward it to where Sanji is capable of fighting. Besides, what's the point in making Sanji a character in the story?

Momiji had a big part in the DS game, so they gave her one chapter in Sigma 2, and by placing Momiji in the game, they had to mention Sanji. I don't know anymore about Sanji.

I give no vote. (yet)

what are you talking about? just answer the question please.

Kasumi is just a fan service, just like how Ayane was in Ninja Gaiden 2. We have no evidence that Kasumi may appear in Ninja Gaiden 3 or not.


Sounds to me, you want Kasumi and other characters to appear in NG if you want them to tell Kasumi's story (again, NG is all about Ryu). Kasumi is just watching what Ayane is doing from the shadows, same thing Ayane does, when she watches what's going on via the shadows (since that's her job and what she's good at). Kasumi is tied to Ayane's cutscene because they are rivals and she appeared in the ending because she loves Ryu.


So are you gonna answer the question or not?

They are trying to make Sanji important because he appeared in Dragon Sword, Sanji and those kids are tied to Momiji. Even from the prologue comic showed the kids next to Momiji, and Sanji showed a brave face to watch over the village.


The reason why Momiji and other characters were playable in Sigma 2 was because Team NINJA were trying to make this a new game, also for us consumers to get more out of Sigma 2. Especially for users who played NG2, if these characters were not playable, then all they did for Sigma 2 was to fix the problems NG2 had and release the game without any new contents.

not everybody who played NG played DoA, this is why I'm expecting Kasumi's story in the next NG.

In NG 1, Ayane was explained enough to satisfy the players, but Kasumi's different, she's too secret to be left like that.

Sanji still has no meaning to me, he's just one of the village kids Momiji cares about.

I think it should be after ng2 like about a year or so and defore DOA. but kasumi has to be in it at some point they need to establish the realtionship ryu has with his ninja friends. otherwise it be dumb for ryu to selflessly help them in doa. She doesn't need to be the star but has to interact with ryu. Espieaclly for the people who dont play doa they're all probaly want an explaination for her.
By now ninja gaiden is a big enough franchise where haveing 1-3 DOA characters wouldn't really effect it. Some people wont even know there from a different game

And tecmo said kasumi's involment in the story would be dependent on fans reactions to her appearence in ngs2 .

To toshiro I dont think her apperance will be based on sytem now that ng3 is going multi platform there might not even be a sigma anymore or at the very least sigma wont mean port to ps3 it'll just mean expansion to game.

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Originally posted by MurderousJohnny:
I think it should be after ng2 like about a year or so and defore DOA. but kasumi has to be in it at some point they need to establish the realtionship ryu has with his ninja friends. otherwise it be dumb for ryu to selflessly help them in doa. She doesn't need to be the star but has to interact with ryu. Espieaclly for the people who dont play doa they're all probaly want an explaination for her.
By now ninja gaiden is a big enough franchise where haveing 1-3 DOA characters wouldn't really effect it. Some people wont even know there from a different game

And tecmo said kasumi's involment in the story would be dependent on fans reactions to her appearence in ngs2 .

To toshiro I dont think her apperance will be based on sytem now that ng3 is going multi platform there might not even be a sigma anymore or at the very least sigma wont mean port to ps3 it'll just mean expansion to game.

Hayashi didn't understand the difference between DOA fans and NG fans. During the Gametrailers (xbots) interview, Hayashi said there is a BIG surprise for NG fans. If you are a big fan of NG, you'll want to see this.

He actually meant DOA fans. Once again, Kasumi may be cameo just for the DOA fans, just like how Ayane was in NG2. So people who haven't played DOA shouldn't worry about NG3 to have a story based on Kasumi.

And tecmo said kasumi's involment in the story would be dependent on fans reactions to her appearence in ngs2
When did they say this?

"By now ninja gaiden is a big enough franchise where haveing 1-3 DOA characters wouldn't really effect it. Some people wont even know there from a different game"
Actually there is a big difference. People still don't understand that Ninja Gaiden is all about Ryu. Hayashi will eventually kill the franchise with his sugar toppings over the cake! Because I know that fans who started NG from Xbox wouldn't care how many characters are in there, they just love the sugar and want more.
Fans who started from NES will want NG to be about Ryu, since that particular cake is their favourite type of cake. (I started NG from Xbox and do feel that NG should be all about Ryu). It is too early for them to link the game to DOA.

we never said that the game should be based on Kasumi, but some explanations should be made.

my first NG game was for the GameBoy, took me quite a while to beat the game.

The extra characters in NG don't affect me, all I use for missions is Ryu, and I only use other characters after I beat the mission to see how they feel.

Ryu is still the main character, I find the other character stories useless, they just add a tiny variety, so don't worry about Ryu loosing his spotlight to other characters.

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Originally posted by Toshiro3:
but they got to explain Kasumi's appearance somehow, even if she doesn't get her own story in the 360 version, she'll still have one in the Sigma version, it's a pattern like that.

so if they want to explain her appearance, they can't fast forward it to where Sanji is capable of fighting. Besides, what's the point in making Sanji a character in the story?

Momiji had a big part in the DS game, so they gave her one chapter in Sigma 2, and by placing Momiji in the game, they had to mention Sanji. I don't know anymore about Sanji.

I give no vote. (yet)

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Originally posted by Toshiro3:
not everybody who played NG played DoA, this is why I'm expecting Kasumi's story in the next NG.

In NG 1, Ayane was explained enough to satisfy the players, but Kasumi's different, she's too secret to be left like that.

Sanji still has no meaning to me, he's just one of the village kids Momiji cares about.

^ agree with the above 100%.

thanks FinalBlade, I appreciate your support. =D

it's not about Ryu losing the spotlight. Don't you get it? Ninja Gaiden is all about Ryu, so Ryu alone and no one else.

People complained too much about the character selection that you can't select other characters on your own but are forced to.

So if people don't want forced character selection, they should just remove extra characters from the game and just put Ryu alone.


If Hayashi puts down more playable characters to NG3, then he is seriously killing the series, because if may feel that NG can do better with more playable characters. But NG1/Black did extremely well with no playable character.


And no explanation should be made for Kasumi. I could say the same to Murasama killing that ninja after Momiji saved Sanji. Kasumi was just looking at what Ayane was up to from far above. It was really silly to even add her in the first place, since non of it doesn't make sense, the fact is we don't even know why Kasumi & Ayane hate each other so much and unreviewed backstory.

Ninja Gaiden- All about Ryu- that's his game.
Code Cronus- add tons of characters for all I care.

Muramasa already explained what he wanted and why he was up in the mountain when he met with Ryu. (or did he?)
but Muramasa's story is quite explained throughout the game, especially if you read weapon descriptions.

what you're saying is like me telling you (no offense) that Fish and Chips is all about the Fish, and that Chips don't matter and make the meal bad.
the other characters are side items that make the game more interesting, because once you beat all the missions using Ryu, you want to try beating the missions using the other characters, get a different taste of the same game.
this doesn't mean I want another playable character though, I don't like the fact that Momiji and Rachel are in this game already, their stories are pointless. But I still expect an explanation for Kasumi's appearance.

Whinny goody two shoes big sister watching over rebellious half sister. End of story. Btw, in DOAU it is revealed Raidou was Ayane's biological father/uncle and how her paternity rendered her an outcast in the community. Maybe Kasumi is trying to make amends on the injustice heaped upon our fav purple cranky butterfly by watching over her........she did joint the Mugen Tenshin Hajinmhon sect/Black Ops group under Genra so.......being in a more rough and tumble occupation got Kasumi's mom concerned(who btw also one hot momma)

Xino, stop talking as if everyone has played Dead or Alive. I haven't and would like to know(without playing her) why Kasumi was in the Sigma 2 in the NG3. It seems pointless(or just a cameo for die hard xbox NG fans) to me as I never played DoA but others could find a different deeper meaning for it. I don't even want more playable characters and neither does Toshiro. But something needs to be explained in some form. If they DO have playable characters in NG3(whether it's rachel again or Ayane or all 3 like it was in Sigma 2)make sure they're optional and separate from Ryu's story. But Kasumi needs to be explained in some fashion in the third. Also, there's nothing to really kill with NG3. Itagaki wasn't even going to make a NG3, Hayashi doing it is a fan service if anything.

Toshiro, I know what you are saying about playable characters. 1 playable character is enough, but shouldn't add a story. BUt still they can only add a playable character if that character collides with the story. For an example Rachel makes sense to be playable since she gets involved with Ryu all the time.
But if you add character like Murasama, then that wouldn't make sense since he doesn't get involved with Ryu but only upgrades weapons and gives out info in his shop.

MK Shaolin Monks, you could play as Scorpion & Subzero, since they get involved with the 2 main characters Kung Lao and Lui Kang.
Same thing they did to Vergil for Devil May Cry 3.

If they are to add a playable character to the next game, let it be someone who gets involved with RYu (only 1 damn playable character!). That character shouldn't have his/her own story but just a character swap to Ryu's story. Then again, I still want Ryu to be playable alone, since this is his game for the 6th time *(sighs:/)*

Toshiro that will be retarded if you want Kasumi's appearance to be explained. It would then mean that she'll have to appear in NG3 which will be killing the overall name Ninja Gaiden and they will need to go flash back with her story. NG2 had Ayane has cameo, it's because of Sigma 2 that they wanted to tell her story why she was a cameo. In the end, we still don't know her motivation why she helps the Hayabusa clan. If they are to tell Kasumi's appearance then prepare for Ninja Gaiden Black 2 for XboX 360.

Rachel being in this game is good because she's an original character from NG but not from Dead or Alive. Momiji is alright too because she's from NG but not from DOA more also she's from Hayabusa village. All I care for is, Rachel shouldn't return to NG3!



Final Blade, if people like you don't know nothing about DOA, then why the do you need an explanation for her appearance??? Not as if you'll understand it. DOA has a complex story especially with the ninja characters since more stories about them are still unexplained.
Yes it's a cameo for Ninja Gaiden Dead Or Alive fans. Hayashi made a mistake or voice over made a mistake based on DOA and NG fans. Unless Hayashi had to confuse us by saying NG instead of DOA, because if he said DOA. Then people would guess Kasumi or Hayate.

Itagaki was going to make Dead or Alive 5, Code Cronus and Ninja Gaiden 3. It's because of the law suit/unpaid bonuses that made him quit. So he acted as if he's the only one that could continue those franchises, as long as he's here, the franchises will live. Since he's leaving, the franchises will stop. (seriously, how many times must we go through this!???)


So in the end, people who haven't played DOA shouldn't worry about that character Kasumi's appearance, since it's for the DOA fans! I mean, you don't see people explaining cameo stuff from other games and movies. Like the Sword stuck to the ground in Wolverine's Origin game. It was a cameo to World of Warcraft, that absolutely has no connection to X-men, I don't even know sh* about WoW. In the end, they didn't explain anything, because the cameo was for WoW fans. If you are not a fan of a cameo appearance, don't bother wanting to know the motive, because you wouldn't get it. It's like a joke. Spiderman 2.1, Spidy in an elevator with the guy in suit. The guy's a comedian, but people who don't know him will clearly think he's chatting crap because they don't know him nor get his jokes. I could say the same thing about Rush Hour 2's vegas scene, with the lesbian guy getting orders from Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan. I find that guy annoying and not funny, that's because I didn't know he was a comedian.

Nor people who don't know who Stan Lee is and wonders why he appears in every Marvel Comic movies. So if you know who he is, then you'll find his cameo amusing.



So I rest my case with all my proof, so by now you should understand the meaning of Cameo. Kasumi's story doesn't need to be explained. If you want to know why (which I had explained twice), go play DOA or become a fan. I'm not a Dnyasty Warrior fan, but you don't see me wondering why NG characters gets Dynasty Warriors costumes, all I care is Rachel looks good in that costume.

thanks, this really explains your point of view.

ok, this doesn't matter anymore, as long as the gameplay is great and offers lots of options to make the game last long (unlike NGS 2)

posted earlier that tecmo said kasumis involvement is dependent on fan reaction my bads could of sworn i read this online but cant find it. too much late night random websurfing is making me imagine what i read. also I want kusami in story mode now that i've though about it more. because ryu is a boring character
giving him a love intrest would give him a weakness and make for better characterization/story. also no homo but ryu can do better then tranny looking sonia (plus i think shes annoy character) if I was ryu I be banging racheal or kasumi.

Current NGs are prequels to the NES Trilogy. Listed under videogames section, which leads to the references at the bottom of the page, which leads to links to interviews that say it's a prequel to the NES trilogy. Where Ryu can make shadow clones of himself, kill bosses in 1 hit and stop time. DOA happens after the NES trilogy, since it's mentions Irene/Aileen and Ryu is more powerful obliterating Jets in the sky.

The main problem I have with the modern Ninja Gaiden is it's lost it's NES charm. What I would like to see is less silent no personality Ryu, and more 1st person narrating Ryu, like the NES days. Let's face it, who reads those Chapter blurbs in between chapters, it would better replaced by NES NG Trilogy style cutscene comics with full voice acting and everything like the install screen.

Edit:
Also agree with MurderousJohnny, the new villian in NG3 should pull a Jaquio, capturing Ayane or Kasumi, threaten to kill them, using them as hostages against Ryu, mocking and ****ing Ryu off. Would make a more interesting Ryu showing emotion.

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Ninja Gaiden XboX is actually a remake of the NES version.

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Originally posted by xino:
Final Blade, if people like you don't know nothing about DOA, then why the do you need an explanation for her appearance??? Not as if you'll understand it. DOA has a complex story especially with the ninja characters since more stories about them are still unexplained.
Yes it's a cameo for Ninja Gaiden Dead Or Alive fans. Hayashi made a mistake or voice over made a mistake based on DOA and NG fans. Unless Hayashi had to confuse us by saying NG instead of DOA, because if he said DOA. Then people would guess Kasumi or Hayate.

Itagaki was going to make Dead or Alive 5, Code Cronus and Ninja Gaiden 3. It's because of the law suit/unpaid bonuses that made him quit. So he acted as if he's the only one that could continue those franchises, as long as he's here, the franchises will live. Since he's leaving, the franchises will stop. (seriously, how many times must we go through this!???)

No, itagaki said he was thinking of making DoA5. During his interviews with NG2, which I clearly remembered quite well, he said "I did everything I wanted with NG2. There will not be another ninja Gaiden, this is it for the franchise". But then the whole lawsuit thing happened which is why there wasn't DoA5 and CC. There was never going to be a NG3 from Itagaki. he confirmed it himself. If I can find it, I'll post it here, but this is fact that NG3 was never going to happen with Itagaki.

I still want to know about Kasumi. I don't give a care if you already know the back story, Do you honestly think PS3 fans do? stop being stubborn and think about the fans who was brought in into NG series from Sigma 1 and 2. They wouldn't know about Kasumi. Whether you want it or not, there needs to be an explanation to her in NG3. PERIOD!

Found it:

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Originally posted by Tomonobu Itagaki:
In an interview with Kotaku earlier today Team Ninja's Tomonobu Itagaki said that he doesn't plan on making any more Ninja Gaiden games for any platforms following the release of Ninja Gaiden II for the Xbox 360.

"Personally I think we were able to create the definitive 3D game in this series so I'm not planing on making any other games in the series," Itagaki said through a translator. "So I hope fans treat this as a swan song for the franchise.

"I think we were able to achieve everything we wanted with this game so anything else would be extraneous."

When asked if he plans on making a "swan song" Ninja Gaiden title for the PlayStation 3, Itagaki replied " that would be ridiculous."

Instead, the creator of the beloved franchise said he wants to make something that is "totally new, completely unrelated to anything I've done before. Not any part of any existing franchises."

Here's the full interview, but nothing much important other than the above

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so what was the lawsuit exactly about?