i was actually using Double Jump feature as an example but what will it do for Ryu?

Alpha you said
double jump=easier to escape, easier to throw more shurikens, also gives the opportunity to reach higher places (to collect secret items, skulls or whatever....) why does Ryu need DJ to escape when he has a much efficient yet powerful move called Wind Run/Path?

How can he throw more shurikens when he is limited to only throwing 5 per times?

Yes it will give opportunity to reach higher places, which makes it more of a platformer and NG2 lacks that. Except for the annoying Clock tower bit:/
In the end Ryu already can Wall run, and do that multiple wall thing. I can't remember what it's called now:/

Like now you see, how I dissected the Double Jump idea and how you came up with ways it can help Ryu. In the end it's not needed.


And yes Toshiro3 is right, double jump feature only suits Momiji in help for her gameplay.

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there are two types of wall runs:

1. Technique of Unrivaled Soaring (wall corners)

2. Technique of The Invisible Path (parallel walls)

and I love that clock tower! I laugh every time my enemies fall in between the gears!

i m not saying double jump should be an obligation, it could only be NINPO (Have you ever played "Revenge of Shinobi" on Sega Megadrive/Genesis?)
A possible double jump would just give some new feature allowing Ryu to fight differently...
If he could stay longer in the air he would also be able to throw more series of Shurikens....
Try to play "revenge of Shinobi"...really...it will give you an idea of what i want to say...
I recently showed Ninja gaiden to a friend of mine.
He was also surprised that there is no double jump...
(so basically i m not alone to think this...)

i watched a video gameplay of Revenge of the Shinobi. And it showed double jump how it's normally meant to be.

Unless you are getting double jump feature mixed up.

Well Ryu double jumping, allowing him to use more shurikens. That's just breaking the game mechanics.
Since you seem to forget what shurikens are made for. They are just made for stunning enemies and making them lose their focus in NG. Ryu throwing 5 shurikens at a time is definitely enough. Shurikens are not meant to hurt enemies. (exploitation how people use this to gain 999 hit combos in NG games). Because I really don't see how throwing 5 shurikens in a single jump and throwing another 5 after a double jump would help me. Since 5 is already enough.

And Fighting in the air is not NG style, you form combos to elevate enemies to the air first and then perform combos.

Your friend is surprised NG doesn't have a double jump because he's used to the same old concept.

I don't remember some characters in Otogi 2 having a double jump feature too
Not every hack n slash needs double jump. Double jump is only needed to enhance the gameplay. Like some of the things you mentioned, but you forgot Ryu doesn't need all those things because he can perform them better in a ninja way.

I know you are not alone on this, but you haven't given strong reasons why Ryu needs it.

As i said, Ryu would be able to reach new (higher) places during his exploration of the maps (to collect new items...) with a double jump.
As far as the battle system is concerned: better evasion, correction of trajectories, addition of new (presently impossible in NG sigma2) combos/movements..
For instance Ryu would be able to lean on the ceiling with his feet (after a double jump) to perform a "from the ceiling" attack rushing on enemies from up to down (this is just an idea...not sure i correctly translated into good english)
MANY animated mangas, movies and video games depict ninjas taking advantage of their environment (using ceilings and/or walls) to attack enemies...
You said: "That's just breaking the game mechanics"...everything is broken since the introduction of 3D !! (we have the possibility to play games with much more fun...so why should we deprive ourselves from such dynamic things?!!)
In our present Ninja gaiden we cant correct a jump trajectory (unless we jump on the enemy's head) but i think it would be good if it was possible to do so.

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Double jump is also available in Shinobi (Sega) on PS2...which is also a 3D game...
For more "strong reason": another example could be Devil May Cry 4 (a quite good game i think)

In Revenge of Shinobi you can also combine it with a "lowering-speed-in-the-air skill/ninpo" (that also makes "normal" and "double" jumps bigger in addition to the increase of precision given to the player while jumping on platforms)
So basically i suggest either a double jump skill or a "speed-lowering-in-the-air movement" that could be combined with a non-ninpo double jump.
That's up to Tecmo developpers...

Like I said before, Ryu could reach unreachable places with "ninja" like skills! The skills are what Toshiro3 explained.

Yes it will give you a better evasion but you will still get hit with arrows. This is why wind run is more efficient than double jumping to evade.

trajectories??? you mean projectiles.
Though I'll agree with you on the impossible moves. Bayonetta is too good and I'll never imagine any Hack n Slash to best it by the time PS4/Xbox 720 comes out.

I think I know what you mean about Ryu fighing with his feet on ceiling. You mean he'll be clinging to the ceiling with his feet (like Ninja Blade how he clung to the helicopter upside down) and starts fighting upside down.
Yes that will be a good addition, but wouldn't that be too much?? I mean Ryu can't continuously keep wall running because he'll fall down at a point. So how can he cling to the ceiling upside down.
It's the same reason why Ryu can't defect projectiles.

I like this idea though, however there can be a way for him to do that, unless we say Ryu is using a ninpo earth/gravity just like he did when fighting Virgoor.
In fact that is even an idea. I remember back when we were discussing about how the Ninpo of Earth will be like. What if Ryu could just cling to any solid face of the environment upside down?
But don't forget that Ryu already uses the environment to his advantage:/ (wall attacks)


Just because I said breaking the game doesn't mean it breaks the game man. How can you play a broken game and get a fun out of it:/
What I meant by in breaking the mechanics:
Like if NGS2 incorporated incendiary explosives which is alright, but breaking the game's mechanic will be by giving it unlimited supply of ammo just like the bow n arrow.
That is why allowing RYu to throw more than 5 shurikens is breaking the game since it's not required!


In our present Ninja gaiden we cant correct a jump trajectory (unless we jump on the enemy's head) but i think it would be good if it was possible to do so.Not to sound stupid, but have you even played Ninja Gaiden?
Wind run/path is when Ryu jumps on an enemies head, why it makes it more efficient than double jump is because you can't get hit with projectiles.

I just think you are messing the key essence of having double jump features in a game and it's purpose. (or you are just confused like others who wants double jump and don't know it's not needed)

1/no,what i mean is if there is a very high place he needs to go and if there is no parallel walls or wall corners Ryu cannot reach such places...
You ask me if i have ever played Ninja Gaiden (-_-) i may reply "Have you ever played any other good action/platform game than Ninja Gaiden?"
Stop being condescending (i know native english speakers are good at this, U.S, australians and english are really just the same...)
You spend your time depreciating/belittling what other people say on this forum...Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive and Tecmo games aren't YOUR games.There is a worldwide community that includes people from all continents and countries.
I sometimes dont agree with some ideas but i leave programmers make the choices for us...and if i give my opinion i dont belittle people as you do.
2/"You mean he'll be clinging to the ceiling with his feet (like Ninja Blade how he clung to the helicopter upside down) and starts fighting upside down."
No, i mean he could just lean (after a jump) on the ceiling to then rush vertically on enemies...

quote:

"Have you ever played any other good action/platform game than Ninja Gaiden?"

Yes, I've played tons. And when ever I make comments I ALWAYS reference them to a particular game I know or i've played.

Stop being condescendingPutting words in my mouth now eh? Since when have I ever judged anyone here in this forum about their english? use the forum to search my posts!
I'll only critic their english if they do the same to me.

You spend your time depreciating/belittling what other people say on this forum...Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive and Tecmo games aren't YOUR games.It may seem like belittling, but it's called correcting and being smarter than others or being better than average.
You may post points and idea, but I'll correct you and give you tons of details and backup references because I know what I'm talking about. That is why my comments are always long!

I sometimes dont agree with some ideas but i leave programmers make the choices for us...and if i give my opinion i dont belittle people as you do.If you don't agree with developers choices then why buy the game? Everyone complained how Ninja Gaiden 1 was so hard, the developers took their time and made a new version that made the difficulty easier. So if you don't like the purple mist added to Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and don't complain. Developers will think it's fine by you and keep including it to ever NG games.

YOU are the consumer, you decide what you want in games or not, it's not the developers to decide. If your ideas can't be done then it's for a good reason.

And you may think I belittle you, but it's called experience! Why don't you take a visit and see most of my post and see just how smart I am.

For an example: I can say add Alpha 152 as playable character in DOA4. How will Alpha fair in terms of gameplay and balance? Wouldn't everyone pick Alpha 80% of the time during online mode?
How would the gameplay fair? she does incredible amount of damage.
But if it you, you'll say you want Alpha 152 playable without thinking of the advantages and disadvantages.

Sorry, but I like thinking outside the box rather than inside like you and others always do.

And this belittling thing you are talking about is called critic! If you don't like it, how would you accept reviews from others?

I mean, who knows I may be right and wrong about some ideas not good for NG, because in the end the developers may use them. But I use good points and reference why it's not needed!


No, i mean he could just lean (after a jump) on the ceiling to then rush vertically on enemies...:/ You mean lean like WET, how the girl always slide down walls and stuff.


anyway if you are not gonna like my critics then I'll stop reading your ideas.

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@xino: You have to understand something Xino-san; you seem to take everyone's ideas and suggestions a little too seriously and just shoot them down while expecting us to just suddenly agree with you.

I'm not looking to start a fight again (if you read my last topic you already know this), but listen; everyone here are just throwing down daydreams basically. Getting worked up and trying to "correct" someone is just a waste of energy. Team Ninja knows what works for DOA and NG better then anyone here, so let's just have a little faith in the developer.

And to everyone here; your ideas are welcomed here on the forums but that doesn't mean we will accept them all with open arms.

sorry I don't take ideas seriously, I just brain storm how it would work. And that's how developers do and think.
You think if a developer is making a game and a fan suggest a double jump as an idea, then you think they'll immediately add it? Of course not, they'll have to brainstorm it, think of the goodness and consequences if it's worth adding or not.
Apparently it's you and Alpha who are getting your @sses worked up if you can't take a critic, so don't try saying I'm taking things seriously.
If you don't like my critics, simple tell me not to comment on your idea or ignore me.

I've ignore some previous users here with their comments I find unpleasant. (so it's easy to do so)


but listen; everyone here are just throwing down daydreams basically. Getting worked up and trying to "correct" someone is just a waste of energy. Or you can go back to the regular forums you are used to (IGN, Gametrailers, GameFaQs), that's full of kids, immature idiots and trolls. Where half of the users will like your less inspiring idea and others will not. So as long as some people agree with your idea you are fine.
I commented on your ideas because I'm tired of reading the same bullsh over and over again.
"I want Dabilahro back, I want incendiary back, I want Hayate playable, Murasama playable etc". I'm tired of reading the same non inspiring ideas. Just wish list over and over again, without coming up with something new or having an in-depth discussion with the idea you want.


Team Ninja knows what works for DOA and NG better then anyone here, so let's just have a little faith in the developer.So keeping our mouth shut and letting Team NINJA do what ever they want with the game until they ruin it is the favourable way right!?
Check the Addressing Sigma Port problems topic. And see many mistakes done by them.
Here's an example: Scene with Ayane and Obaba. Ayane kills the last ninja and sheaths her sword back and Obaba appears.
She didn't even wipe the blood from the sword. In gameplay characters can wipe blood off weapons (see the difference?). If we don't complain about issues like this, then we'll get bad game in later future.

And to everyone here; your ideas are welcomed here on the forums but that doesn't mean we will accept them all with open arms.
What a contrary comment:/
What do you mean by we won't accept them all open arms? Who is "we"?
Don't include me, just because I haven't been accepting you and Alpha's idea doesn't mean I don't always agree. Like I said before, search the topics and see ideas we have discussed in the past.

You are going on about me that I don't accept people's ideas and take ideas too seriously even though they are daydreams idea for fun. And yet you say we won't accept all ideas with open arms.
Way to contradict yourself.
Because if I can't accept fun daydreams ideas and you criticize me for that, however you can accept all idea but won't take them lightly even though it's fun daydream ideas.



All ideas are welcome!
If it's inspiring or original enough, we won't need to criticise it that bad because we like it. But if it's strange or not good enough, then we'll criticize it!

you should read your own posts:

(to me)
"it's best to rename the topic to DOA character Gameplay, rather only for Ryu. Because who knows at some point you or someone else may make the same topic but for other characters another day..."
i do what i want dear master...
"This is why I said its best to go in-detailed with ideas..."
(no comment excepted you just confirmed what i said)
"More also, you want this feature yet you don't even have an idea on how it would work for DOA:/..." ( i have seen the result on some other games, i have been playing video games for about 25 years, including some Airbus flight simulators using hydrolics'system cockpit, a thing you will never played...)
And as for your cousin, some people are only good at certain genres. Like fighters fans are good at fighting games but suck at Hack n Slash or FPS's... see just how smart I am...(hilarious new topic...but see DOA ryu's gameplay page for answer...)
It may seem like belittling, but it's called correcting and being smarter than others or being better than average...(smarter than the others??? oh! give me a pawn! good dog!)

How arrogant and presomptuous!!! you are soooooo smart !!

(I sometimes dont agree with some ideas but i leave programmers make the choices for us...and if i give my opinion i dont belittle people as you do.)
"If you don't agree with developers choices then why buy the game?"
I was talking about some ideas on this forum...but once again, you keep overstanding...whereas you didn't even understand what i said...

(to someone else on this forum)
"LOL You make me laugh!Haven't you heard the news?"
it seems you have a problem of superiority complex...really...
if you behave like this with everyone around you...you'd better go and see a psychanalist...

"Putting words in my mouth now eh?"
i only quoted you...but it seems you are amnesic (in addition to your superiority complex...Mister "Smartest")
Now just think about if someone was talking to you in such a way...
Using the internet doesn't give you the right to be offencing...

To the others readers...
i m getting tired of these kids on the internet...
Last night i had to explain to 2 spanish kids (who wanted to give me a history lesson) who Napoleon was...They even thought Christopher Columbus was spanish...whereas he was italian (one of his brother's name was "Giacomo"...that's soooo spanish!!!)

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( i have seen the result on some other games, i have been playing video games for about 25 years, including some Airbus flight simulators using hydrolics'system cockpit, a thing you will never played...)What makes you think I give a damn about hydrolick cockmaster system? I'm happy with my ps3 and Xbox 360. Go amuse your internet friends with your lonesome gadgets and show them ythe pictures too, you sad mofo.
Just another idiot from trash forums who always try to degrade others by showing off what they have and others don't.

see just how smart I am...(hilarious new topic...but see DOA ryu's gameplay page for answer...)
It may seem like belittling, but it's called correcting and being smarter than others or being better than average...(smarter than the others??? oh! give me a pawn! good dog!)You are a smart @sshole.
If you really are smart, tell me the reason why gamer girls will buy Bayonetta?

Also learn how to play DOA4, because Ryu isn't the only overpowered characters. You just suck at the game if you didn't know other characters are overpowered just like Ryu.

(I sometimes dont agree with some ideas but i leave programmers make the choices for us...and if i give my opinion i dont belittle people as you do.)Then STFU about Team NINJA removing blood, incendiary shurikens, adding a rocket launcher, adding purple mist and removing projectile UT.
You are using big words that doesn't even fit with what you are trying to say. Learn what belittle and criticism means.

I was talking about some ideas on this forum...but once again, you keep overstanding...whereas you didn't even understand what i said...Overstanding??? no YOU don't even understand yourself.
Again using word that doesn't fit with your statement nor you even understanding what it means.

(to someone else on this forum)
"LOL You make me laugh!Haven't you heard the news?"
it seems you have a problem of superiority complex...really...
if you behave like this with everyone around you...you'd better go and see a psychanalist... You must be retarded
You need to go back to reading the dictionary again.


Ok how does Amnesic collide with superiority complex/Smartest????If I have a memory loss, how would I be smart? Please stop trying to use big words because you are just failing hard!
Just because I said I was smart doesn't mean I'm smarter than you or anyone else in this forum. I'm just saying because I know what I'm talking about. And EVERY time someone is arguing with me, I always tend to correct them 80% of the time and always giving backup references. I just happen to know more about DOA and NG.
Sometimes Toshiro3 tries to correct my mistakes but I instantly told him I knew about that. He only corrects me quarter of the time like how the L3 was unused in NG.

i m getting tired of these kids on the internet...Great, you just proved how smart you are.

Judging someone online by calling him/her a kid.
Have heard this COUNTLESS time and it always originate from forums such as GameFaQs, Gamespot, IGN, 1up etc. Same trolls, immature and kids who uses the same line all the time and show no respect to one another. They be-mean you by your age calling you 12, if that fails they move onto your grammar (which I know you did before), if that also fails too. They'll try and pick anything from your avatar, profile to sig just to be-mean you.



Son GTFO, we don't need disrespectful immature @sshole like you here and you've proven it already.

@xino: Now you're just missing the point in what I'm trying to say.

Apparently it's you and Alpha who are getting your @sses worked up if you can't take a critic, so don't try saying I'm taking things seriously

If you read my last dream game idea topic you'll see that I apologized for my immature behaviour before. I want you to comment on my ideas and suggestions again, but if you say something won't work I will try to convince you on how it would work.

I'm tired of reading the same non inspiring ideas. Just wish list over and over again, without coming up with something new or having an in-depth discussion with the idea you want.

Then look through my new topic. I go more in detail why I chose the suggestions I made from the characters to my "gliding" idea. If I missed anything or you just think it won't work then tell me and I'll try to fix that problem, only this time I won't loose my temper over something you said.

So keeping our mouth shut and letting Team NINJA do what ever they want with the game until they ruin it is the favourable way right!?

You misunderstand me; I said Team Ninja knows what works for Ninja Gaiden and what doesn't. Of course they will still listen to the fans but they won't include something they know won't work and if fans really want it then Team Ninja will try and bend it to fit in Ninja Gaiden.

As that wipe blood off mistake, I rather Team Ninja make mistakes like that then anything else. They only had about a year to work on this game, so I would think something like that would be the least of their worries. Now if that had something to do with gameplay then I would say something, but since it was just a cutscene I hardly cared.

What do you mean by we won't accept them all open arms? Who is "we"?

You, me, and everyone else here of course.

Don't include me, just because I haven't been accepting you and Alpha's idea doesn't mean I don't always agree. Like I said before, search the topics and see ideas we have discussed in the past.

But you do comment on peoples ideas, right? So of course I'm going to include you.

You are going on about me that I don't accept people's ideas and take ideas too seriously even though they are daydreams idea for fun. And yet you say we won't accept all ideas with open arms

Again, you misunderstood me; I said we won't accept them all, as in "every single idea". Remember back in my first topic? You loved it when I said that Twin Hooks should be new weapons in NG3, but you didn't like the rest of the ideas I placed along with that. This is what I meant.

I'm not trying to start a fight again, in fact I'm doing the opposite. I'm trying my best to be constructive here, so please just calm down.

I full agree with your post. I also hope that they can put all the rest of the games like ninja gaiden 3 (I think you mean as a sequal to the xbox360 game NOT sigma) on the xbox360. I do own a ps3. As a matter of fact i own a Wii, Ps3, AND xbox360. I just pefer the 360 better than all of them. And hopefully make the game online in a way that is fun. Not like just ninja vs ninja. More like 4 vs 4 so if a ninja keeps attacking, a teammate can get them. Please reply to my comment.

why should they put all the rest of the NG games to Xbox 360?
I'm not gonna argue about that


but the 4 ninja vs 4 ninja....
I know that specifically 2 vs ninja will not work at all.

4 vs 4 could work.

but you know it wouldn't with people who will block all day long and counter all your moves.