Well, i was thinking about what Ninja gaiden 3 should be.
Please post any comment that may improve NG3.
Here are mine:

1/ Tecmo should bring the blood back (at least with a game option that would allow adult players to play with blood... using an available on-the-web code if necessary)

2/ Tecmo should give up the idea of useless female characters:
i m sorry for saying this, but excepted Ryu and Ayane (who are really fun to play with) Rachel brings nothing good to that game...(she is only there for her big XXXXX)

3/ Tecmo should also give more "interaction" in the game.
not being able to destroy more things in the game is very frustrating.

4/ NO MORE GUNS for the heroes (Ryu just starts turning like an american cowboy with his shotgun) Same for Rachel (this is one of the reason i hate her...) I buy ninja games to fight against ninjas..not robocop, master chief, or whatever gunpowder sprayer...Bow, arrows, and shurikens are great.

5/ Last but not least: i am a great fan of ninja games (since i played the legendary "revenge of shinobi" on Genesis/Megadrive)
i think the game would sell better if they were more ninjas and less "hilarious" enemies.
I m thinking about these "half mechanical- half demon" enemies, or even the big demons with a cannon in their left arm.I think they are too many gargoyles-like enemies too.
Some enemies are very good (especially the spider clan ninjas) whereas some others are simply "grotesque": making a fusion of japaneese and western mythologies is just nonsense...(think about that Werewolf with 4 arms like Shiva O.o...it is probably funny to some young kids...but to me and most western people it s just awful). I think Tecmo could keep using western references in addition to the standards of japanese myths, but should also make a distinction between these 2 differents kinds...and not try to "fuse" them...

Feel free to add your comments for a perfect game.

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I have to disagree with you on Rachel with the gun. I think she should keep it simply because she isn't ninja. That gun rocks. It has gotten me out of a lot of tough battles. I loved her in sigma1, I like her moves even better in this game.

I know I dissed NGS2 in my topic but the more I play this game online the more I love it! I would never have met so many good players and NG fans.

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Originally posted by alpha-centauri:
Well, i was thinking about what Ninja gaiden 3 should be.
Please post any comment that may improve NG3.
Here are mine:

1/ Tecmo should bring the blood back (at least with a game option that would allow adult players to play with blood... using an available on-the-web code if necessary)

2/ Tecmo should give up the idea of useless female characters:
i m sorry for saying this, but excepted Ryu and Ayane (who are really fun to play with) Rachel brings nothing good to that game...(she is only there for her big XXXXX)

3/ Tecmo should also give more "interaction" in the game.
not being able to destroy more things in the game is very frustrating.

4/ NO MORE GUNS for the heroes (Ryu just starts turning like an american cowboy with his shotgun) Same for Rachel (this is one of the reason i hate her...) I buy ninja games to fight against ninjas..not robocop, master chief, or whatever gunpowder sprayer...Bow, arrows, and shurikens are great.

5/ Last but not least: i am a great fan of ninja games (since i played the legendary "revenge of shinobi" on Genesis/Megadrive)
i think the game would sell better if they were more ninjas and less "hilarious" enemies.
I m thinking about these "half mechanical- half demon" enemies, or even the big demons with a cannon in their left arm.I think they are too many gargoyles-like enemies too.
Some enemies are very good (especially the spider clan ninjas) whereas some others are simply "grotesque": making a fusion of japaneese and western mythologies is just nonsense...(think about that Werewolf with 4 arms like Shiva O.o...it is probably funny to some young kids...but to me and most western people it s just awful). I think Tecmo could keep using western references in addition to the standards of japanese myths, but should also make a distinction between these 2 differents kinds...and not try to "fuse" them...

Feel free to add your comments for a perfect game.

6. make it possible to do your own super combos when UTing instead of having it do the combos for you automatically

7. get rid of 95% of the enemies' grab moves and make them a lot smarter instead (kinda like those cats in ngb. those were fun to fight). no more cheap moves

8. if there will be other playable characters, give them more weapons, projectiles, ninpos, etc.

9. think of a good story this time

Thanks for everyone's interest in my topic

Well...First (to reply deeposbox) i don't see the interest of keeping rachel in NG series...that s why i am asking for "no more gun"
Her special moves bring nothing and i really prefer playing with Ryu or Ayane (a plus would be to play with Hayate, Lee,Kokoro and Kazumi from DOA)
Rachel is just in this game for some breast reason...(i know how japaneese guys are fans of blond girls with big bxxxx but i think Rachel is just making the game less good than what it should be...)
Be honnest: if you had to sacrifice 1 character from this game, who would you kick? Ryu or Rachel? there is no doubt it s better playing with Ryu...
You say "gun machine is good for Rachel", i agree it s good for Rachel...but only because she doesn't have very good special moves...
The first time i played online mode with someone who was playing as Rachel (i was using Ryu) i only made 10 percent karma ratio...Why? cause the guy i was playing with was just keeping distant using the auto lock machine gun and nothing else (i couldn't even finish my combos cause he was just killing the enemies i was attacking before i could finish them -_-)
As a result we got a secondary char who is stronger than the main "hero" of the series...
That's pure nonsense..
Moreover (as i said) "gun powder sprayer players" should go to some other games and leave the only katana game we have be a katana game...
(i really think we have too many games based on shooting with huge pulse riffles, bazookas, and sniper riffles....if i had to do a list...it would take me months...)

If you ask some people who finished NG1 what their favorite stage was, most of them will just tell you: the dojo.
This is why i will add as other good stuff in my wish list:
MORE DOJOS, MORE JAPANESE TRADITIONAL AREAS, MORE BUDDHIST TEMPLES, MORE JAPANESE SHOGUN CASTLES WITH TRAPS (like in all the old ninjas movies we had in the 80s)
MORE "NINJA SCROLLS" LIKE ENEMIES AND BOSSES (that japanese animated movie is absolutly great...but i m not sure people in the USA know it...cause of censorship...-i'm french, and we have japanese mangas since 1978 here on tv)
That's all i m thinking about right now...
Oh! yeah, i agree with you RB2.. more ninpos !
(but i didnt understand your comments about the automatic combos...nothing forces to you using them...you can just make normal combos if you want, dont keep pressing triangle button..)
I agree too about "grabb moves" of some enemies.

It would also be better having some ENEMIES RUNNING ON WALLS LIKE RYU, JUMPING EVERYWHERE, HANGING FROM THE CEILING AND ATTACKING YOU WITH SHURIKENS (a bit like haven troopers in metal gear4 who climb on the walls...)
FULL ONLINE COOP STORY MODE WOULD BE GREAT TOO!!
MORE NINJA OR SAMURAI BOSSES
(NO MORE PINK LADY demons with bat wings instead of their ears...that's so stupid...)
MORE GOOD SECONDARY CHARACTERS (LEE with some NUNCHAKUS, HAYATE and KAZUMI with KATANAS, KOKORO with a bamboo stick, the old guy -can't remeber his name- from DOA...i think he is Lei Fang grand pa'...)
It would be great if Tecmo could join the different stories of all the DOA characters in one game.

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Me again...

HERE IS A LIST OF NEW NINPOS THAT WOULD BE AWSOME:
-one allowing Ryu to walk for long times on walls and ceiling
(some kind of gravity ninpo)
-one displaying a decoy phantom ninja (a copy of Ryu on which enemies would focus on, giving the opportunity to Ryu to attack them more easily or focus on a boss) A bit what already exists in ZOE 2
-one that would freeze time (and enemies) for a short moment (7 seconds would be perfect)
-one that would allow Ryu to perform double jumps (or higher jump, as in "Revenge of shinobi")
-one that would multiplicate Ryu (not for decoy purpose) but one that would (as in ninja gaiden on the NES) allow Ryu to have mimics-bots (controlled by the console, or imitating Ryu's actions) attacking the enemies with him.
-one that would blind the enemies (like the sun attack in dragon ball)
the enemies would just put their hands on their eyes, giving a 4 seconds time to Ryu to perform some attack..
-one that would spread some ice on the ground (sub zero like) making all small enemies coming in the area -where Ryu is- fall down..Ryu would have to keep in the epicenter, the ninpo would cover a small area though.
-one teleporting with smoke (see "Hanzo" or "Galford" in SNK samurai shodown game on neo geo)

there are so many possibilities...

about the double jump, Momiji already has that.

and the clone thing already went through a discussion in a different forum, and we all agreed that it can't be in the game.

freezing time would make the game easy, and we don't want an easy game.

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Originally posted by Toshiro3:
about the double jump, Momiji already has that.

and the clone thing already went through a discussion in a different forum, and we all agreed that it can't be in the game.

freezing time would make the game easy, and we don't want an easy game.

exactly, not to even have to explain the concept of Ninpo again. Ninpo is ki/chi that can be used in an elemental way.

I don't see what s wrong in what i said.
Have you ever played "Z.O.E 2"? it has proved that a decoy-clone could be used even in a 3D environment (and it made that game awsome! it was possible to see all the enemies rushing on your decoy phantom, while your robot was invisible, allowing you to attack them)
It's true that Momiji has double jump but i was thinking about a double jump (that would allow the player to throw many shurikens or arrows before going back on the soil) and that would only be an only extra move we could do to the detriment of some ninpos. it would allow Ryu to perform more special moves (without reaching the permanent degree of jump of Momiji)
As far as the Ninpo thing is concerned, it could be considered as an elemental thing too (wind element)
By the way, Ryu already used a multiple decoy system on the NES (i dont even think there was some elemental way thing in that)
I dont think that a "time ninpo" would necessarly make the game much easier (it would just make it more accessible to some players in Master Ninja) provided Tecmo would implement a ninpo bar (similar to the magical system of zelda 3).Some ninpos would just use more "chi" from the "chi" bar than some others...(example: 1/2 of your jauge if using time freeze, and only 1 quarter if using fireball skill)
You guys should really try ZOE2 and Revenge of Shinobi.
What i am depicting has already been -successfully- made in the past...
In which topic was your debate about the "clone thing"?

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Originally posted by Toshiro3:
about the double jump, Momiji already has that.

So what? While Momiji is alot more flexible, similar to ryu, than Rachel or Ayane, the double jump was great. Don't see why we can't have it for Ryu, hell, he's from the same village as she is.

Personally on the characters, if Hayashi is going to add any characters I want them to do this:

Make each extra character that isn't ryu, either have their own story or allow us players an option to play the entire story mode(one would be good) with the character. No forcing us to play as someone else. I played 2 chapters so far, on 9 right now, and my view on Rachel and Momiji are this:

Momiji is a very flexible character to play. She has a nice balance, much like ryu, in speed and power. I enjoyed playing her but preferred ryu as I initially said prior to the games release.

While rachel is more refined and easier to play with and kills enemies pretty quickly, I still do not like playing with her. The gun is alright tbh, but still I prefer Ryu. So far I have never owned anyone or many with playing with the extra characters as I have with Ryu.
Nice if you want some variation with combat, but ryu is still the best to played. Rachel should be removed in the third game. I don't even care if they have Ayane and Momiji back(and add another DOA character), just get rid of this big breasted, bimbo.

Also, I lol'd at this six axis breast motion control bull. It doesn't work as it's advertised.

I do agree with the more weapons for extra characters. As for the UT suggestion by RBSIX: Sorry that just ruins the entire point of Ultimate Technique. Keep the automatic ones.

Hey the blood would come back if you watch the video with the maker he said he just wanted to see how the fans would react and was just going off the base that ninja gaiden was based on blood. But the blood will come back because I believed me saw alot of people's response that they were upset without blood. I think 3 they should allow you to play at Ryu's Dad that would be sick , I hate how rachel Plays to damn slow with those heels on. I hope they keep the other girls make the game a 2 disc game for the games to have their own stories. I know for sure they will deff change the weapons and not keep the same. I wish they brought back the dark ninja blade or something from sigma 2 that would be sick to use I want more blood like when you slice someone from the head down you see there body sliding apart =) hahahahaha

waow Mike, you are askin for some pure ninja !
heehee
i agree with that one.
But i m pretty sure about Tecmo will never make a 2 blue ray discs game.
(MGS4 was already very expensive in development cost and is only using 1 disc in euro and american versions...just think about the mount of money tecmo would have to pay to fill 2 discs with good graphics...)
I think a story mode in which we could choose toplay either with Ryu or some other character would be good too.
(but please, Tecmo if you read this, no more Rachel...cause she sucks...lol yes i did it on purpose)
This afternoon i restarted playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1. And i must say i regret one thing from that one: game was more based on combos than on automatic attacks such as in NGS2.
In NGS2 you just aim at charging your sword power then everything goes automatically...
In NGS1it was quite long to charge your sword, forcing the player to use his combos inteligently..But i haven't played NGS2 in master ninja yet so...who knows...perhaps i m wrong on that one.

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Originally posted by Final Blade:

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Originally posted by Toshiro3:
about the double jump, Momiji already has that.

So what? While Momiji is alot more flexible, similar to ryu, than Rachel or Ayane, the double jump was great. Don't see why we can't have it for Ryu, hell, he's from the same village as she is.

I do agree with the more weapons for extra characters. As for the UT suggestion by RBSIX: Sorry that just ruins the entire point of Ultimate Technique. Keep the automatic ones.

i dont know about the double jump for ryu.. maybe some ppl would like it but it wouldnt feel right to me..

and for the UT thing, maybe they can add an on/off option for it because i find it boring having it do all the combos for me.. thats just me

This is quite simple. There won't be a Ninja Gaiden 3. Itagaki is gone. Any game named Ninja Gaiden 3 being released will be a casual version of was once a hardcore series, dumbed down with extra characters no one REALLY wants to play as, less blood, less difficulty, and far less gore or intensity.

Sigma 2 is the end for Ninja Gaiden. It's a shame it has to end on such a bad note.

There's nothing wrong with Sigma 2. There is nothing wrong with characters other than Ryu ( who to me is the boring character of Ninja Gaiden now... )less blood, who honestly cares seriously? I don't understand the big loss of less blood and gore.

Everything you mentioned is really superficial- besides difficulty. Which, it's not exactly SUPER EASY. It's just not ridiculously hard now. Which I see as a good thing.

It's still fun to play. At the end of the day, all people want is a fun challenging game. The game is challenging- just not as challenging as the previous ones.

Just because you weren't impressed with it (... because of the less cheap A.I + less violence... ) doesn't mean that other people wont. I personally enjoyed this one much more than the previous ones gameplay wise. Much more variety~

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Originally posted by Obscure:
This is quite simple. There won't be a Ninja Gaiden 3. Itagaki is gone. Any game named Ninja Gaiden 3 being released will be a casual version of was once a hardcore series, dumbed down with extra characters no one REALLY wants to play as, less blood, less difficulty, and far less gore or intensity.

Sigma 2 is the end for Ninja Gaiden. It's a shame it has to end on such a bad note.

Er, what? Do you have any clue what the hell you're talking about?
Hayashi has confirmed NG3 will be made and both consoles at launch will be receiving the title. Hayashi also confirmed blood and gore will return as well. He just wanted to have a different experience with this title, and tbh I'd say it kills NG2 in many areas.

The whole: NG won't be the same without Itagaki is all bull, I think Hayashi taking over is the greatest thing to have ever happened in my honest opinion.

You haven't seen what happened from Ninja Gaiden 2 to Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, have you?

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Originally posted by Obscure:
You haven't seen what happened from Ninja Gaiden 2 to Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, have you?

You mean differences? Yes I do know what is different.

Alot of reviewers and fans alike has praised this game more so than NG2. The only thing NG2 has over this title is the blood and gore.
As I said before, Ninja Gaiden 3 is confirmed for both consoles and will be having blood and Gore again. Hayashi wanted to do something different with Sigma 2. This also allowed Hayashi to further loophole the contract from NG2 exclusivity to 360. If you didn't know, when a company such as MS publishes a title, that title in itself is exclusive to that one console. PS3 users was never going to get NG2, at all. But hayashi did something clever with NGS2, he rebuilt it on the Sigma engine, put a ton of additions while subtracting things he didn't feel was necessary in Sigma 2. All in all, on paper it was a brand new game which allowed it to be put on the PS3 so users like myself can play it. Is it a shame that the blood and gore was toned down? Sure for those who liked it, but it's not a big deal for me to say "screw that, i'm not buying it". Believe me, NG3 has been confirmed, alot of us knows this and judging from the reviews on NGS2, it seems Hayashi game is much better than NG2. Gametrailers also agreed in their review of the title.

1. I want ALL the female characters to stay but to be made after as downloadable so not to lose focus while making main the game. Plus if you dont like them just don't buy them.(Racheals my personal favorite).

2. Omg!! do the leaderboards right this time around. you have no idea how mad i got when I saw 99999999... on leader boards. When i was 2/3 way threw master i got bored/frustrated and I just didn't care anymore.I grew up playing mrs.pacman in my dads bar.( i'm 19 btw) On the first ninjagaiden I reach 125th normal, 17? on hard, (can't rember what i got for very hard noting high though) ranking and it wasn't only because I loved the game. I just wanted to beat others. For me the only thing that motivates me to play a single player game more then once is unlockables,leaderboards and achievments(thanks xbox ). Sigma 2 made this more aparent to me, I'v played ng so much where killing without seeing my score just felt pointless. To me it's like geometry wars with out a score its just wtf. The chapter challenge was good attempt at fixing this but when you have so many leaderbords it just makes it harder for you to be recognized and makes it seem (at least to me ) less significant. With leaderboards there should always be atleast 1 main board that everyone see. ngs2 doesn't have this

3. kinda related to last one please fix gliches before releaes I really didn't expect that kind of quality from tecmo and it actually hurt my trust with them.

4. Keep weapons a little more realistic. I know its a fantasy action game but the falcon talons just lost all apeal to me when they were bedazeled at lv 3. And those wire mace animations on the lunar where just point less becuase you cant even use the combos involving them efficiently at the higher difficulty. my point is the weapon probaly used the most is the dragon sword and it has the simplist design of all the weapons.

5. Lose emma fang and bring back diablor it so much cooler looking

6. keep unlockables. I get so pi22ed when I have to buy something that would've been free a few generations ago. Ex I had to buy the original ng on wii(btw it was one player) which upset me because all of them came free in ng for xbox original and they had multiplayer lol how can it get worse when i pay for it lol.

7. Keep the multiplayer and add more mission with more variety at different diffculties.

8 bring back single player mission or better yet give option to play them solo (wit out cpu) or with a partner.

9. improve recording system. I was so excited when they first mentioned it way back but then I was dissapointed. make a little like halo. I don't expect the same quality but atleast let me move the camera around or watch my partner.

10 return diffculty back to how it was for ng2. If your gonna force me to play normal mode on ngs2 don't make it feel like ng2 lite . Like if its really a big deal bring back ninja dog People expect certain things with a brand name.

11. dont add any more weapons unless you feel it will ad more to the game. you guys got pretty much every ones favorite choices if they were to really choose a weapon.

12 keep racheals gun it makes me nastolgic about devilmay cry. dante and her have alot in common. plus playing ngs2 like a FPS made me laugh a positive laugh btw

13 let me play all of story mode with alt characters After literaly thousand of kills with dSword,lunar Staff and Tonfas i get tired of ryu.

14 bring back fiends bane kick it was my fav

15 make tactical ninja or black ninja costume for ryu

16 dude how cool would muramasa be as a playable character. they can make him all samuraish.

17 A lv system for co-op mode like halo or soul calibur just for braging rights. If i pwn alot of people i want other to know. plus you'll meet people of higher skill and you can partner up to do harder missions

18 someone mention more of a ninja theme. Well the dojo was the easy stage so that migth have been why its a fav and second 75 percent of my ng1 tantrums were caused by black ninja

19 no offenes tecmo but your stories suck. lets not have to much DOA crossover something tells me the story would be ridiculous. kinda how you made me think ryu was somekind of vengful spirit/zombie guy and almost all his family was dead in ng1 but then magically in ng2 it was like none of this ever seemed to happened.

20 lose the auto aim bow. when i use it i either tap it or when im actually trying to aim at something it hurts me becuase of enimies running threw my sights and autotargeting changes what im trying to hit. very annoying

21 Lose that camera help thing too can be annoying. actually there might be an option to it turn off cant remeber i'll check later but anyway if there isn't add one

22 this is a little ahead but when you make an ng3 sigma make sure its a real expansion. ex ninja gaiden black was the definative version of ng1 to say it was ngsigma 1 is laughable.
And for sigma 2 i can't really blame you to me it felt like a patch up job of something that was broken. you did a good job to adress this like with the chapter challenge but a refurbished product never feels new. that was more of having a bad foundation. My point none of expansions have felt like expansions since black. Its either not as good ex sigma 1 or missing key elments ex sigma 2

22 finally
A)jusy dont repeat the mistakes of ng2
B)rember what made ng1 so great (best one so far I think it would be ng 2 but agian to many problems)
C) take everything that works in sigma 2 (ex co-op) and repeat.

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Originally posted by Final Blade:

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Originally posted by Obscure:
You haven't seen what happened from Ninja Gaiden 2 to Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, have you?

You mean differences? Yes I do know what is different.

Alot of reviewers and fans alike has praised this game more so than NG2. The only thing NG2 has over this title is the blood and gore.

You live in a fantasy world, don't you?

I'm talking as a fan of Ninja Gaiden, while you're talking as a fan of exclusiveness. Why? I don't know, but you're arguing on the wrong level. I don't care it's on PS3, and I didn't care it was an Xbox exclusive before hand. I cared that it was a hard game that busted my ass. But you? You can't get your sight passed the fact it's on PS3.

I suggest you grow up and get your priorities straight. Maybe then you'll beat NG2 on Master Ninja.

Oh, and also, by a ton of additions, you mean five bosses and three characters at the cost of..? Well, I'm sure you've seen my topic.

lol ninja fight