Yup Kasumi is the big surpise, she appears twice. What are your thoughts on it?

To me, I think it sucks!
Because Ayane appearing in NG1 made perfect sense.
It links to her background and relation between Ryu, it just felt more original.


I mean, Kasumi appeared, for what reasons? It makes sense that Kasumi and Ayane both have hate against each other, but why is Kasumi watching over Ayane. Ayane works in the shadows, so it should make sense that Kasumi wouldn't even know what Ayane is up to.


Why the hell was Kasumi standing in the sword of the graveyard with Ryu? I mean, in NG1, Ayane had her specific outfit before the DOA default types. Why was Kasumi wearing the same DOA outfit? I mean she's 15, couldn't they use one of her DOA costumes to showcase she was 15.

If Kasumi is to appear in NG3, it should tell the story about how they met. Because in DOA, Kasumi loves Ryu that is why they tag team with each other. There are still lots of stories unfold in NG and link between DOA! Dammit, bring us Code Cronus!


I just think it's too early to have Kasumi in the NG series:/

I mean, her Costume 3 will be PERFECT for a DOA game, since it looks sort of like Ayane's NGS1.

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my favorite character is Kasumi, so I was glad to see her in the game. I'm wondering if we get to see her face when you complete the game on master ninja mode.

Does Kasumi love Ryu? I don't remember that, but they partner up because Ryu watches over her as a promise to Hayate... doesn't he?

Are the NG games even a prequel to the DOA games? They could even be a completly different storyline. I'd like to think they're just side stories to DOA.

I don't mean Kasumi suck, it just her appearing as a cameo in NG really means nothing. We don't have Code Cronus, we know nothing about Ryu, Ayane or Kasumi's stories and background, only the limited details from DOA games.

Yea, Kasumi does have feelings for Hayabusa, HE just doesn't show it in the game. At first, I thought she loves Hayate, even Ayane loves Hayate. It felt like some dumb incest thing going on.


Hayabusa and Kasumi are always together, when you play Tag team match, the A.I will always pick Hayabusa and Kasumi. Their tag combo is insane, they perform identical moves (teleport). Hayabusa may not show out the love to Kasumi, but he just does it by protecting her. The same way Ryu doesn't expresses his feelings to Rachel and Sonia.

One thing I don't get is why Ayane love Hayate, unless she only loves him as her Master.

I mean details like this doesn't make sense. Ryu was a master ninja to Ayane, but in DOA prequel, Hayate was master to Ayane.



DOA takes place after NG Remake series.


And as for Kasumi's face. I freaking love Sigma 2's character modelling! Ayane's face/eyes is INCREDIBLE! This is how all characters face should have been in DOA, rather than the dumb anime look:/

i agree, it would be nice if Team Ninja cleared up all those answers since since we've been following their storyline for so long -_-

but if you're right about ryu...

...if he has feelings for rachel, sonia and kasumi? And if they all like him then he's not only the master ninja, but a master pimp as well.

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And as for Kasumi's face. I freaking love Sigma 2's character modelling! Ayane's face/eyes is INCREDIBLE! This is how all characters face should have been in DOA, rather than the dumb anime look:/

I agree with you. Ayane's face looks 10x way better in sigma2 than in doa games. I can't imagine how they must have designed Kasumi.

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Originally posted by xino:
Yup Kasumi is the big surpise, she appears twice. What are your thoughts on it?

To me, I think it sucks!
Because Ayane appearing in NG1 made perfect sense.
It links to her background and relation between Ryu, it just felt more original.


I mean, Kasumi appeared, for what reasons? It makes sense that Kasumi and Ayane both have hate against each other, but why is Kasumi watching over Ayane. Ayane works in the shadows, so it should make sense that Kasumi wouldn't even know what Ayane is up to.


Why the hell was Kasumi standing in the sword of the graveyard with Ryu? I mean, in NG1, Ayane had her specific outfit before the DOA default types. Why was Kasumi wearing the same DOA outfit? I mean she's 15, couldn't they use one of her DOA costumes to showcase she was 15.

If Kasumi is to appear in NG3, it should tell the story about how they met. Because in DOA, Kasumi loves Ryu that is why they tag team with each other. There are still lots of stories unfold in NG and link between DOA! Dammit, bring us Code Cronus!


I just think it's too early to have Kasumi in the NG series:/

I mean, her Costume 3 will be PERFECT for a DOA game, since it looks sort of like Ayane's NGS1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5Hja745JA

haha yea man I wanted to know the same thing good cutscenes though made you sit down and wonder like wow I'm ready for ng3 already Atleast they left it open meaning story wise cuz Ryu did said he isn't finished

I was personally glad to see Kasumi put into Ninja Gaiden since her and Hayabusa seem really close due to her brother and his relationship.

As for her costume, it's similar to her DOA outfit. You'll notice minor differences... like the sleeves on her arms etc. The length of her hair, shorter. Only minor things but things I did notice.

I just hope they make her playable~

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I was personally glad to see Kasumi put into Ninja Gaiden since her and Hayabusa seem really close due to her brother and his relationship.

As for her costume, it's similar to her DOA outfit. You'll notice minor differences... like the sleeves on her arms etc. The length of her hair, shorter. Only minor things but things I did notice.

I just hope they make her playable~

This is the reason why it's good to be narrow minded like Itagaki.
Itagaki didn't want to go all out with NG series, he wants to take it step by step so the franchise will not be milked to death and will last longer. Hayashi is going all out with NG, in the end it wouldn't even feel like NG anymore.

He gave us 3 extra playable characters to play with, now fans want more:/


No I don't want Kasumi or any other Ninjas in DOA to be in NG games. You have to remember that DOA and NG are 2 different games even though they revolve in the same universe.

Yoshimistu from Tekken is always in every Tekken game, because he's sort of like a symbol to the series, he isn't a guest character. He's sort of like a unique character to use in Tekken games. This is the same situation in DOA. Ryu is a unique character in DOA, he isn't part of it and shouldn't be. Because he has his own game called Ninja Gaiden.

Since Ayane from DOA also stars in NG1, it makes it special, to see a character from DOA be in NG just like how it's special to see a star from NG in DOA games. It's sort of like the trade off for Halo 3 Hayabusa armour and the NG2 Halo's skull.



Now what I'm saying is, if they add Kasumi to NG, people would expect and want Hayate because Hayate is linked to Kasumi, thus fans will start to want more characters from DOA to appear in NG. Eventually DOA will be like a spin of title from the start and NG being the real game that supposed to cast all characters from DOA.

I mean if they add anymore characters from DOA to NG, then NG isn't NG anymore. NG was all about Ryu Hayabusa. I can understand that the NG-Remake is trying to expand the story, universe and characters in the game, but that doesn't mean it needs to add characters from DOA to NG. This is why I dislike Kasumi making a cameo in NGS2. I mean you can tell by the new characters in NG-Remake such as Muramasa, Rachel, Muari, Sonia etc Non of them were in DOA.


Even from the NG Prologue, you see Ayane in the shadows (what she does best) watching over the gathering in the Hayabusa village. Ayane is the perfect character to fit a NG game, because of her background.



Using her DOA costume for NG2 was stupid! DOA takes place years after NG events so Kasumi shouldn't be wearing those outfits.



This should be her NG style costume, because it doesn't conflict with her DOA default costume.



From my thoughts and opinion may seem harsh to Kasumi but I do like Kasumi. Is just that she shouldn't be in NG, if she is, it'll jeopardise the whole purpose of NG being Ryu's game. Because we'll want something from DOA to be in NG.

Let Ayane only be in NG, from her story, she served Murai, helped Ryu during some event, served the Hayabusa clan, served the Mugen Tenshin clan (is that Kasumi's clan?) from the shadows, was a mentor to Hayate ----DOA tournament 1 begins.


If you want DOA characters to be in NG games, Team NINJA should do that for Code Cronus or just make a Dead Or Alive Gaiden!

That outfit is staple kuonichi. Doesn't matter that DOA happened after the NGS series. Kuonichis always wear this type of sneaking suit, but I do like Kasumi's black costume in DOA4 and the variant "Hollywood blue. Hayate is Ayane's step brother (same mom different father) but hey that makes a more salacious plot twist why Ayane has the hots for Hayate. As for Ryu, well nice, Ryu and Kasumi sitting on a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G........

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Kasumi would make a whole lot more sense then Ayane, and Ayane is in the game... which I have come to accept now~ but seriously they had zero to do with each other in DOA. I didn't even know they knew each other so when I found out that she was in the very first Ninja Gaiden and not Kasumi I was like "Wtf is this bull crap!?"

Kasumi deserves to be in this game, she's a better ninja than Ayane ( which has been proved if you follow the DOA storyline.. Ayane has never been able to defeat Kasumi ) that and she's the princess of a ninja clan~ She should be in Ninja Gaiden!

Xino, you act like if Kasumi is in the game, all the DOA characters will be. That definitely will NOT happen as if Kasumi is added the only other character they can add is Hayate and that's it.

I don't see Rachel being in any other Ninja Gaiden game anyway. I like her and all, but she isn't really necessary for the stories progression anymore.

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I don't see Rachel being in any other Ninja Gaiden game anyway. I like her and all, but she isn't really necessary for the stories progression anymore.

and her guns are cheap

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Originally posted by xFatal:
I don't see Rachel being in any other Ninja Gaiden game anyway. I like her and all, but she isn't really necessary for the stories progression anymore.

and her guns are cheap

Guns? Well she only has 1 gun, so do you mean her arms or her boobs? I'm just kidding. eh... I think they're doing a fine job. If they wanna add Hayate, Kasumi, Master Chief, Godzilla, and Chuck Norris to Ninja Gaiden, then by all means give us a frickin EPIC game. More people will buy it. MONEY, think MONEY!

p.s. Leave Rachel's gun(s) alone, I like it :B But I agree if you think Ryu should NEVER have a gun or cannon.
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Kasumi wouldn't make sense. We need to know how Ryu knows Kasumi.
Ryu only knows her because he was asked to protect her by Hayate, if he was gone.

Ayane makes more sense, she has a foster father, her duty is to work in shadows and supporting clans. I don't know why Ryu tags with Ayane, but because Ayane is in NG, it makes sense. Even though Ayane has no connection with Ryu.

I wouldn't say Kasumi is a better ninja than Ayane, Kasumi is just 1 year older and they should be equal in their skills even though they use different fighting styles. Itagaki just favours Kasumi more than Ayane and Kasumi is the leading character for DOA.

Ayane did defeat Kasumi in DOA3, but for a reason.


Why I'm not trying to say if Kasumi is in the game, other characters will be in it. You have to understand the concept of a unique fighter in a fighting game and a special guest character. I believe you must have missed my explanation about Yoshimistu from Tekken and Ryu from DOA:/

If they add Kasumi in NG, Hayate must be in it. Thus making 3 ninjas debut in game of someone else, yet those 3 characters were meant to be in their own game called DOA.
Same way I could say I want Genfu in NG, because him and Ryu are sort of connected.


Rachel was only added in NGS2 just to make Sigma 2 the ultimate edition since she was in NGS1. I don't want her to appear in NG3, she did a good job in NG1 so let her leave from ther. She should appear in DOA instead.

Well I understand what you're saying. But I'm cool with kasumi or hayate joining a game called "ninja" gaiden that is about ninjas & ryu. If the game was called Ryu Hayabusa then I could understand he needs his own game of original characters. Perhaps you also feel this way because all previous NG games were only about Ryu Hayabusa. I would agree with you if TeamNinja wanted to include all the DOA characters. Then it wouldn't make sense.

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Reasons why Itagaki narrow mind is needed!

1UP: Will there be any crossover from the DOA series, like how Ayane made a cameo in NG1.

TI: This is Ninja Gaiden.

1UP: Are you saying that "This is Ninja Gaiden, so we won't put any DOA in there," or "This is Ninja Gaiden, so of course we'll have DOA in there?"

TI: [Laughs] You're a funny guy. Someone might make a brief appearance to show their face and say "Hello." But if I think you were to see a character make a brief appearance, consider it a nod to our fans that we're willing to make the space on the disc for that character to appear.



Reasons why Hayashi open mind is needed!

1UP: Will there be any multiplayer elements? Please elaborate.

TI: Right now I'm seriously considering what online features to include in Ninja Gaiden 2. I think I can say from past experience that the world of Ninja Gaiden and multiplayer doesn't necessarily always go well together. With that taken into account I'm thinking about the best way to create the online experience in Ninja Gaiden.

1UP: One of the things that's always been fun about Ninja Gaiden has been the statistical information that's recorded. Do you plan to boost that for NG2? Like how many decapitations you've accrued, or how many ninpos you've used, percentage of weapon useage, etc.? You have it in Dead or Alive; it'd be interesting to see it applied here.

TI: Yeah I think that's a good idea. We could have a head-chopping contest. Write that down. [Laughs]


(also when NG2 was released about 2 months later, I wrote a list of wanted things for the next NG back in the Xbox forums. Xbots there were saying those list were not needed, and look at NG now, most of the ideas were implemented into Sigma 2.)



Now you know why Kasumi shouldn't be added. In the Sigma 2 collectors edition booklet, it now calls Ayane Prodigy. It says something about Ayane belongs to the Hajimon Clan and she isn't part of the Hayabusa clan. "Reasons for helping Ryu Hayabusa is unknown."

Don't forget that Itagaki once said that Kasumi is too soft for a Ninja Gaiden game. He's right, check out Ayane's character known for- Kunoichi with Murderous Intent, Female Tengu.
I still need to know why Ayane calls herself Female Tengu in DOA 2 ending:/

Now I can't remember who I was debating with, a user here kept talking about Itagaki's concept on blood for NG2 is life of surivial. Now if you think about this. Sigma 2 showed the reason why Ryu performs all these deadly moves on those ninjas, it's because he too has been touched by darkness, as Hayashi is trying to elaborate. Ayane has murderous Intention inside her. She isn't really touched by the darkness, but she doesn't have any feeling when she kills ninjas. Same way soliders gets no feeling when they kill another solider.

Now if you look at Kasumi, she's different to both of them. She's innocent, and soft.



So in the end, adding Kasumi to NG3 is a NO! Nor adding any other character from DOA to NG3 is a no!
They CAN only added characters from DOA, if a NG game finally takes place after DOA.

Personally I think everyone is getting a wrong impression. I felt Kasumi's appearance was nothing more but an APPEARANCE. I think the ending when ryu stated this: "Darkness is destined to lift in the end......


...I still have much left to do"

Is a definite hint and confirmation of ninja gaiden 3. Now, I don't see Hayate or Kasumi in the sequel. I just see the same plot story we've seen since NG1: Someone comes and have an ulterior motive, some new successor of Genshin comes and and threaten the world and ryu will be off doing his thing. Now, I don't like the fact Itagaki only wanted 2 main games and one extra BS one with Black and that's it. Ninja Gaiden can be expanded to alot more. Itagaki ego is one of the prime reasons why Ninja Gaiden 2 wasn't great. He talked so much smack against Hayashi's Sigma 1 he came out with NG2 which basically was trash meta rating compared to Ninja Gaiden 1, Black and Sigma 1. And low and behold Sigma 2 comes out with a better reception. It's clear Itagaki has no clue what he's doing and personally i'm glad to the see someone fresh running the show with ninja gaiden and DoA. There's plenty of stuff they could do to make the story better and who knows maybe show Hayate and Kasumi in the story but not playable. The skies the limit as far as I'm concerned.

but, as I said I don't personally want more playable characters unless we're given an option when playing a new game which one to play with.

yes, it better be a damn cameo O_o! Just like how Itagaki made Ayane the fan service in NG2!

Itagaki confirming that DOA4 and NG2 will be the last of the franchise wasn't true. It was because Itagaki was leaving, and acted as if no one could develop the series anymore, so if he goes, both franchise will go too.

But you must understand, Itagaki may be an @sshole, but seriously when it comes to making games, he knows what he's doing or what he's talking about.
All the movelist for all characters in DOA4 were totally awesome, even though the aim of the game was for hardcore users.

The same goes to all the moves and weapons revamped for Ryu in NG2. You use a weapon in NG1, and it has a limit but you favour another weapon above it. However in NG2, you'll like all the weapons because they are made equal.


His narrowmind is what keeps the franchise what it's meant to be: Ninja Gaiden is Ryu's game alone. If Hayashi keeps adding new playable characters to NG games, fans will want more, and NG wouldn't or shouldn't be called Ninja Gaiden.


Once again, they don't have to make the story better by adding Kasumi or Hayate!
Hayate can be added though. But we still haven't seen enough story expanded.
Like how Ryu knew Kasumi, how Ryu and Hayate are rivals and also best friends. The grudge with Kasumi and Ayane, Ayane aiding Ryu and Hayate becoming her master.


We freaking need Code Cronus to explain this sh*!

Personally i didn't even want more playable characters and preferred only Ryu but hey, at least there was 3 extra chapters though.

I think Ryu is all that makes the game fun, all his weapons and how he uses them to slash heads off.

I don't really care for Rachel (especially cuz she doesn't do the roll over and cut the neck move anymore, L1+analog stick+triangle)

But adding Ayane to the game was nice, I love using her on fiends, their limbs fall off so easily when playing with Ayane.

And Momiji, all that I like about her is the double jump UT, u can charge an UT while being safe in the air.

so adding another female player wouldn't add more fun.

What i love about Kasumi is that she's got the biggest boobs among the entire tecmo characters.

DarkTerror that isn't Kasumi, that's the big blond breasted bimbo Rachel.